An interview with prominent sociobiologist and futurist Rebecca Costa, author of the highly acclaimed book “The Watchman’s Rattle: Thinking Our Way Out of Extinction”, which claims that society is getting much too complex, and we’re unable to deal with the complexity because of bad thinking habits, which she calls “supermemes”. She describes what the bad thinking habits are and how to replace them with better thinking habits that might enable us to deal with our most pressing problems in an effective way. Martin Wasserman and Mei Lin Fung are the cohosts.